Tuesday, August 25, 2015

Howling Mockery At (Certain) Portions of The Manosphere: Exposing the Truth

There were dust ups that I generally didn't get involved with too much when they occurred.  I did say a basic piece on why I think the detractors of MGTOW were clearly wrong.  But I'm back to break things down again to get to the crux of the matter, and state why they are full of crap.

Note many will point out that MGTOW is a part of the manosphere in a general sense.  I will not split hairs on this issue, but I will be speaking about the alleged "critics" that seem to think it's not a path for men to travel on.  I will discuss those who act as if MGTOW is a cult, a haven for loserdom, or men not living life.

They are wrong.  As usual.

-The most salient point a reader must understand about the barbs thrown at us men is thus: they are rife with hypocrisy from the accuser.  It's demonstrative on more than one level, which I will explain further.

-The other is that there are forces in the manosphere that want to make a quick buck online, and since men are often suspicious of anyone that will exploit them, PUA snail oil brewers and would be gurus are showing their true colors.    Even more so, those same hacks piss on anyone who doesn't fall for their bullshit.  As con artists, they are not very good.  However, they seem to have amassed a following.  It's unfortunate because they will be punished by their own ignorance for siding with the peddlers of bad advice and false hero worship.

-Speaking of that hypocrisy I mentioned, much of the griping I've seen stems from projection.  Projecting their own failures with obtaining affection with women.  The surprising disregard for their own health and well being, including addiction and weight problems.  Several of the men that have come for to make a name for themselves look virtually nothing like the next Chris Hemsworth or Tatum Channing, much less have charisma.   Several MGTOW have been slammed as neckbeards, and when you see the finger pointers, they have fragile ground to stand on.

Does anyone actually believe someone like Matt Forney can pull in a Jessica Biel look-a-like with his own charms?  I would ask you what type of herb you were smoking . . . 

--The grandiose sense of self-importance and self-promotion, rather than focusing on the message and application as paramount.   I realize there are key figures in men's issues and it's actually a good thing that more voices are speaking up, and recognizable ones as well.  It gives a feel of a network of sorts and a personal spin and face on things.  However, there are others that want lap dogs to bow down to their arrogant personas while they bestow nothing of real value to men.  They are ones to avoid, and they will prey on the gullible all the while extolling how "manly" and "alpha" they are.   Which if they have constantly remind everyone of that label, then they are not.

-Dissing incels   I wanted to do a blog post alone on the subject, but I will say this for now----the jeer of "You can't get laid, ha ha" is by origin a feminized one.  Women in our culture have imbalanced power over men through the state and institutions, but it is gradually eroding through many factors (including men waking up and a shoddy economy).  Since women's sexuality has been the biggest attribute they have over men---young men particular---the idea that shaming men in this fashion of the you can't get laid has its root source with women.  Many men are countering with not marrying or denying women relationships and affection back, or using them for just that---sex.   Whether they are "incels" or not, taking back one's personal power is vital to any MGTOW.

When men in the manosphere slam others for not getting regular sex do this, they are stooping to gutter-level Ameriskank tactics.  Period.  (And by the way, this is coming from someone who was considered a womanizer in a proverbial past life, if you will).

-Gravitating towards a more traditional approach and praising the nuclear family versus the PUA lifestyle.  The mansophere "gurus" need to make up their minds on this . . . will you continue to reward skanks with libertine behavior or socially shame them while rewarding loyalty from women?  Several people will claim that "gaming" women can lead to a monogamous and healthy relationship.  I doubt this is a serious component for long term relationships.  

-Wanting to lead men back to the plantation.   Several of the ex-PUA gurus and commentators in the manosphere are proffering ideas about getting back to the antiquated notion of their idea about traditionalism.  This advice is absolutely insidious, and must be fought with at all costs.  Including those who masquerade as "conservative" in nature but are wolves in sheeps' clothing.  The pricks involved must think their women-taming tactics will save them from false accusations or having their life ruined.  It won't.  They are deluded, or they are deliberately leading other men astray.  Paul Elam has been one of several, and that's why AVfM has lost trust with so many men after that debacle.  There exist people who label themselves as MRAs who have zero interest in helping men whatsoever, but would see them get trampled in the process.  

Here's what Zed had to say about going back to uh . . . traditionalism:

Men now must completely destroy marriage. It is too corrupt and too fouled to fix. It is a derelict building which MUST be torn down so that something useful can be built in its place. 

Does this sound like the shift to pre-1960s ways of dealing with women and family?  No.

And yet certain cocksuckers in the manosphere want men to go back to risk everything they have done for themselves and adapting in a misandric culture to throw themselves back into the dangerous maelstorm itself.   Unreal.

MGTOW offers something more---we are waking up to our own individuality, our own worth, our value as men.  It's puzzling that we are dubbed as being just as bad as the feminists, considering that those same lousy detractors engage in similar behavior as those said feminists.  If women couldn't bring us completely back the fold, they will not, either.


Unknown said...

RooshV is a muslim, making him a hardcore tradcon. Not surprising he promotes tradcon entryism.

That afro on his chin speaks volumes ...

RooshV basically a tradcon in PUA guise ...

Unknown said...

Barbarosa & the mgtow community, need to realise hating PUA's is actually discrimination against young men

The mgtow community offers literally nothing to young men

The main reason PUA's rail against mgtow, is the lack of options it offers to growing young men

The main reason mgtows hate young men, is the fact young men look for practical solutions to their problems, the MRA & Mgtow offer no practical solutions to the problems young men face, only ideologies

Young men have hormones & sex drives thousands of times higher then most men, instead of catering to young men the MGTOW & MRA need to stop discriminating against young men

If mgtow want PUA's to stop railing against them, offer solutions young men can apply

Sociopathic Revelation said...

I disagree the MGTOWs offer nothing to young men, if anything many of us talk about ways of life we can decide on that are more adaptive as opposed to playing a rigged game. I also haven't seen much about this hate towards younger men, unless you are speaking about the split to those trying to co-op MGTOW. Then you might be on to something.

Much of the "Old guard" that discussed MGTOW in 2004 still had remnants of loosely good ideas that are more difficult to apply, such as limited government. Government encroachment is out of control; that's why many men are living more simpler lives, refusing to marry, and cutting back and away. That is one of many examples of how MGTOW has evolved; instead of waiting for things to change, we BECOME that change over time.

Not to mention much of the things that tradcons are doing to get men into the fold; for the all the talk of "you're just like the feminists," they have an odd penchant for demanding others live life according to their design while not leading by example.

I only lurk on PUA forums on occasion, but anyone that reads my writing will realize that I don't condemn a man for engaging women (if that is what you are implying) sbout "hormones and sex drives" in order to interact with women, just as I don't condemn someone for avoiding them. But anyone with their eyes open will realize how things have become for men and that we need to show each other ways of dealing with the hand we have been given. Just recently a thirteen year old boy has had a claim of assault laid on him for kissing a fourteen year old girl. This culture is going to inane (and insane) lengths to demonize men; we need to inform them of this fact before anything else can take effect.

I also suggest reading more MGTOW forums for how they are living their lives. Many of them are saving money, better their jobs, getting in shape, and so forth, as well as discussing the make up of modern women.

And you must remember PUAs are not beyond criticism; someone acting like they are assisting men and employing it for selfish purposes has no place as a so-called leader. A hack is a hack no matter how much you slice it. I don't place any faith in a Paul Elam, a Matt Forney, or a Jessica Valenti, nor matter how much they think they are "helping" others. They are not.

Note that the solutions you ask about often can take months or years to apply. Change to become a MGTOW can happen in a moment, but doing things for self-rational gain is a process. Let me remind you, look closely at those who are demanding men (not just proclaim MGTOW) and how they conduct their lives, treat others, as opposed to what they are saying. Then you see what they are like and what is useful, and what is parasitical and aggrandizement.

By the way, thank you for your civility. It's refreshing (even though I don't get much venom all the time, I see it a lot on online with others). SR

Unknown said...

This is where I feel MGTOW fails young men, it's inability to realise the needs of the hormones & higher sex drives of young men, leaves young men out in the cold

What would you rather men do, in the clutches of bootcamps & PUA instructors?

OR MGTOW teaching men how handle their sex hormones & higher sex drives, & teaching young men how to build a future for themselves

That is what I want the MGTOW to do

to acknowledge mens hormones & sex drives & provide a haven for them, instead of bashing young men by attacking PUA's & game

I want young men to have access to weapons & live ammo, because women are a clear & present danger to young men

The massive suicide rates of young men, prove the need for PUA & game for men

Young men commit suicide precisely because they dont have the weapons & live ammo, to combat a feminist gynocentric state

ie.PUA & game

PUA & game, with the support of MGTOW & MRA would make a massive dent in the suicide rate's of young men, unable to appreciate & find comfort in their hormones & sex drives, as they grow into young men

Where is the comfort for a 14 year old boy?
What is there to stop from him committing suicide?

MGTOW needs to start handing out serious weapons & live ammo to young men