Chivalry Sucks (Yes, it does)

I have a friend that truly believes being a chivalrous man will give him the upper hand.

I'm going to school him one evening and tell him that that's essentially bullshit.

I honestly think he doesn't want to come to terms with how it is for men, the dating scene, and with modern women.  He still believes in soul mates and there is an exception out there for him.  I'm sure he could stumble on a mythic NAWALT, but chances for him are slim.  

He's truly a good hearted man, and good hearted men get trampled in the maelstrom.   

The salient reason why they get trampled is that they still want to desperately buy into the fantasy of the golden angel that is their soul mate.  Ultimately, when a man enacts chivalry, he is rife for his own servitude.  There are women that are more than happy to be the cynosure of that, and coupled with a boundless sense of entitlement of selfishness, exploit men. Financially especially.  

I also found it's exceedingly rare to find a composed woman that doesn't want to throw down once in a while.  US women seem to have a fine habit about creating chaos when being reasonable to allay conflict would be more rational.   I'm speaking largely of emotional abuse (although this can be physical abuse as well; there is overwhelming evidence that women are often the antagonists in DV, but right now I'll stick to the manipulation here).  

I did have a relationship with quite a sexy older woman years ago who never did this; we barely got into a heated debate about things we disagreed with, and it was mild.  There exist honorable exceptions, but they are not the majority.

And if you protest and demand equal treatment in a relationship, you are "complicated" as a man and moody.  If you draw a line in the sand and put your foot down, you're an asshole.  

But if you concede all the time, you're a pussy.  

It's not easy to "win" with Ameriskanks.

Chivalrous men fail to realize they will constantly be trying to placate a woman who will be happy being unhappy.  No relationship is perfect.  But incessantly catering  someone with a narcissistic complex---coupled with an "you must entertain me or else" injunction---is a tainted relationship from the start.  Chivalrous men feel ego gratification from making a woman happy; and if momma ain't never truly happy, well, you know that will be an endless battle to make her content.  And she never really will be. 

The mainstream still does not truly acknowledge men are largely the romantic sex. The unfortunate thing is that it can (and will) be used against chivalrous men, and there are women who think nothing of doing that.  Including dragging a proverbially broad-sided man through divorce court while sleeping with someone else.     

I asked my friend what a woman would do in turn for all the genteel acts he would perform for her.  He never answered online, but once we do meet up at a lounge we occasionally frequent, I'll let him know not only how one sided his approach is, but how it's possibly fraught with pitfalls and peril.  

I doubt if it will sink in until he's ran the gauntlet enough times.  

Personally, I rather go my own way than deal with all the heartache.  

Neo Unplugged on "Is MGTOW Feminism for Dudes?" and his response . . .

There's been one pretty lame sentiment going around for some time:  that MGTOW is the inverse equivalent of feminism for men. I've been saying this (quite a while), that anyone making the charge that MGTOW is another form of feminism---just the sexes reversed---has either no idea what they are talking about, or in serious denial.   Neo Unplugged takes that same train of thought to task in his current videos found here:

Is MGTOW Feminism For Dudes?

For MGTOW: "Feminist" is the new "Misogynist"

Enjoy!  SR

A Post on the schism between MRAs and MGTOWs

Obviously, this is not directed specifically toward those who are for men's rights and are not trying to actively take MGTOWers to task.  For those who wish to keep the peace, I legitimately thank you.

However, there are others who either believe that MGTOW has toxic elements and men within, or they are acting as if there is among us.  It is interesting of note that these same control-mongers adamantly refuse to see their own hypocrisy.  They are so enamored with their own arrogance that there is barely any room for anything but their own idea what men should be doing.

Part my own grievance is because of this; they simply refuse leave things alone.  They were the ones drawing out the proverbial gunfire, and then calling us losers and assholes for hitting back.  There are those (such as the AVfM) that have had critics for a few years now, but it is clear that they if they had been some sort of friends in spirit towards others, it has been become antithetical towards what men are often seeking, and that is self-interest and preservation.

This is not a good situation.

I would even gather people like Paul Elam and their ilk have generated a cult of personality about themselves, and despite being supposedly tough, will invariably take any return fire from MGTOWers as "bitterness" even though it is clear they have their own moody turns and refuse to see why they are getting flak against them.     

I wonder what happened with all the apparent attempts to dismantle feminist influence from society.  I guess attacking what they perceive as low status men is more important.

The trouble is we didn't need them in the beginning, and we won't put up with them now.  

Clearly, they have done jack fucking shit in the amalgam.  They are not helping men as a rule.  There are have been a few personal victories for men here and there, but overall, societal changes have not occurred.  Many of us have seen how deep the gynocentrism is rooted and how corrupt the system has become, and we've decided to live on our own terms rather than engage with petty bickering online with feminists and their cronies.  

 The fact that certain self-labeled MRAs are damning other men with unearned shame and guilt is very telling; they want control over other men and browbeat those same men in silenced submission for pretend sins and transgressions.  They want to profit from men's suffering and toil.  It's revolting.  The audacity is maddening . . .  it's no longer surprising, but it's still outrageous.  And the idea is no different from the feminists and white knights have done, and those were the ones they slammed in past.  

Guess what.  The feminists are having a joke at their expense; all the in-fighting gives them a sense of smug, righteous glee.  That's what really has been accomplished.  

That's sad, but that's the way it is right now.  

One hallmarks of feminists also is condemning otherwise good men as suspect, and eventually making enemies of them when they were originally not.   There are people claiming to be MRAs that are doing exactly the same thing.  We do not need more of this.

And as I've said, anti-MGTOW detractors have gall to equate us with feminists . . . when we simply wanted to opt out and do our own thing.  If refusing to be their lap dogs, praising them, and kissing their asses dubs men as "misogynists," so be it.  Would they assist us in our trials and tribulations?  The answer to that is an emphatic no.  

We've already determined to go it alone successfully; to hell with their "help" if it doesn't enrich or contribute to our lives.   

MGTOW Rising . . .

Be careful how you fight evil . . . your weapons can be turned against you.

---(Slightly rephrased quote from a dark film . . . ) 

It's been a while since I've spoke up. It's certainly about time.

Much has been said about the rifts occurring with certain MRAs and MGTOWs; there are people who know what the fundamental problems here, but I think a further examination is worth not just repeating, but getting to the crux of the matter.

There are several people trying to demonize and control those who simply refuse to come back to the plantation.  The have much to gain from doing this in the short term, including even money making schemes, ego-boosts, looking like the good guy, and even procuring a following.  

Of course, procuring a following with us men that have broken away quite a bit is pretty tough; even though MGTOW has struck a chord with us, we tend to be fairly---if not highly---individualistic.  For the so-called appointed leaders in particular MRA and manosphere circles, it is challenge they don't seem to understand.  Several are not very convincing with trying to lure men under their own influence, often resorting to the same tired shaming language and unwarranted accusations that both white knight neotrads and feminists employ in order to ensnare men.  

It is obviously doomed to fail.  We have already done much to purge our own lives of such manipulative tactics and social toxicity.  The problem is that the same would-be designated "alpha" buffoons are seriously shooting themselves in the feet.  

There are have been forces in society, institutions that have lied to us and tried to loot us, and women that have betrayed us on a fundamental level---all the while demanding that we "man up" even when celebrating how they have screwed us over at our expense.  They are incessant and malevolent .  . . and acted as if it was all our fault.  We are no longer interested in getting used and abused anymore, and will remember those who crossed us. Do you honestly think an Elam or a Fidelbogen will garner any allegiance while dumping on MGTOW as "misogynists" as they desperately try to promote themselves?  No.  

The insidious irony is that they have become so much like the antagonists they deplored at length.  

And they have the balls to call us just like feminists.  

But it gets even worse.

I think a few of them know how difficult is it for men in a clearly misandric culture.  It has effected most men on almost every level.  Much as been written about the legal system, societal malaise, the demonization of masculinity and male sexuality (including us white heterosexual men), the family courts, and other weighty topics---I won't go in depth here for the moment because it quite vast, but I will say this . . . I am absolutely DISGUSTED at both the men and women who KNOW what men are going through in this era and their pain and struggles, and still want to alienate men, profit from them, claim to help but actually exploit them, and all the while damning us as embittered misogynists.  

The same tired name calling is leveled at men with the Social Justice Warriors with #gamergate and #metalgate.  

Sound familiar?  

You will lose us just like the feminists and the "traditionalists" (i.e. the selfish, lazy women) have.  Instead of strengthening your ranks and persuading men to help in their camps, you turning your proverbial weapons on the very men you should be providing the tools to enrich and develop.  Those lapdogs, front men, and scapegoats you seek will not be there for you.  

We truly are done.  

With the current rash of doxxing and unfounded slags against men, they are showing their true colors.  They are also discovering that those men are not the dunderhead losers they believed, but men who had carved their own paths out for themselves and continue to do so.

 It doesn't matter if a self-proclaimed MRA like Paul Elam, a fraud like Anita Sarkeesian, the Jessica Valenti feminists of the world, or even the religious hacks like Mark Discroll continue to bite the hands that feed.  We will refuse to support them for their misandry and we will expose them for who they are.  They have the audacity to condemn men while possessing zero bravery to critique Ameriskank behavior whatsoever, a myopic strategy that will backfire. We are not lambs to the slaughter, but lone wolves discovering our own worth and personal power.  

We want to be the masters of our own destiny, and take the steps to secure that truth.