Tuesday, June 12, 2007

A Few Words about Women and Being "Taken"

In another form, a woman who'll I'll dub as KM, writes the following in regards to women and sexuality:

Oh, for Pete's sake. You guys tell yourselves whatever you want. I want to be held down. And it has nothing to do with the media or being schizo or anything. (Although I'm not ready to claim sanity yet...) It's a biological fact. And what's more, I'm willing to bet it's the woman who initiates it more often than not.

Ever read a romance novel? Um....never mind. Probably not. I've only read maybe 10 in my life. The thing is, the guy in the romance novel who gets the girl isn't the one who's all solicitous to make sure she gets home unmolested. She appreciates him, of course. But it's the dark stranger, the wounded, solitary count, the viking warrior who gets the girl. And he doesn't hurt her. He is forceful, yes, but has control. Look at Dracula. Well, I guess technically Dracula does hurt them, but he has the whole eternal life, undead attraction thing going for him.

Romance novels are not written to influence women. They're written to appeal to women.

Well, friends, I couldn't help but respond. Since I have trouble with such claims, I'll tell you why, here---I'll add a few things as I go tomorrow:

Even aside from women initiating it more often than not, hell, many men haven't even met women ask them out on a fucking date once.

Men are told by women to "treat them like a lady." Well, after seeing how decidedly unladylike women can be, why should they?

The one pivotal thing you must remember is that there has to be an underlying mutual consent. The gender feminists who want men, assiduously, to keep tabs on everything. They have men merely ask like little servants begging for crumbs and don't like gray areas because they operate out of fear. The women who play dangerous games of "rapo" like shifting from wanton slut to battered victim because they are lashing out at men because they feel like they have to maintain dominance and punishment---no matter how malefic its manifestation. That one time they didn't feel like it was consensual on a whim, simply because the relationship isn't going the right way, is the day he's in deep shit.

By doing the above, it ensues there is no "equality" in the sexual dynamic. The gatekeepers can stifle the valves of libido, and despite being having more control, blame the other for misreading cues or breaking the ground rules established. How interesting---the one with more power has less responsibility, and guess who's the one with more sexual power. This is where the feminists are in denial or clearly full of shit. It is also an undertone that's evident here---women's sexuality and essence is more significant and of import than men's, vulnerabilities be damned.

Many men are not given a manual for women and the sociobiology of sexuality, and when they do get something akin to it, it's often comprised of a couple of things---it's still about benefiting women, advice from women, and a good amount of filler. It's usually up to nice guys to fill in the blanks, and since that is often from inexperience, they can trip up---and that's, of course, their fault, even if they are in the dark.

If everything was cut and dried, there would be far lesser problems. But women often tell men, "Figure me out, I'm a woman, but I won't give you all the clues, but I change when I want" to "I wish you hadn't figured me out, it's scary"---because it indicates a loss of control when men truly understand women and sexual desire. Keeping men off kilter and committing sins of omission, even with intercourse, allows women the upper hand. Even the street talk on women when men get together and start comparing notes looks quite different from the idiotic maze women use in order to filter out men that are undesirables---men aren't interested in the fodder, they are interested in what works and not getting in the doghouse with women---IF they bother at all.

There's also a dark side to that mysterious rogue character you mentioned. Women have fantasies about them and make a grave mistake that underneath it all is that guy she pined for in her blossoming sexual maturation. Hell, even one of my ex-girlfriends loved the idea of Beauty and Beast and other seemly inane fairy tales. Yet, fairy tales can have a lot to teach us---including about those who are fixated with certain figures. Women who want to lose momentary control still think that their anti-hero, an inversion of the savior motif, will protect and rescue them.

A true dark master has allegiance to no one but himself, whether he is the modern version of the black magician, or beast masquerading as human---its contemporary manifestation is the psychopath who usurps women's personal power, even if it means torturing and killing her.

This is why I just shake my head at women (which is seems to be a domain of a lot of white women, especially) reveling in fantasies about being aggressed against.


KellyMac said...

I can't really take back what I said about the best kind of sex. But, after reading all the commentary on the net about "gray rape", and being shot down over and over again as a proponent of rape when I try to inject some sanity and remove some hysteria from the discussions, I have to change my stance a bit.

All it takes is for her to get pissed at you, and you're going to jail. Even if the sex is completely consensual, even if you've been married for 20 years, even if she's initiated it every time and you have it in writing, all she has to do is get pissed at you, and you're going to jail.

Rape is a very serious thing. No one disagrees about that. But with the definition of "rape" being more elastic than than the waistband of a Pamper, I can't even say that consensual sex is safe anymore.

SR, you said that women expect men to figure them out, but the fact is, women can't figure themselves out. Our moods are as changeable as the wind. And with so much power being given to female whims, that is scary as hell.

About the dark side of the fantasy, you are right about that. Especially with the fact that so many women are absolute fools when it comes to choosing their sexual partners. The thing about this fantasy, though, is that it is just that - a fantasy. Barring the S&M crowd, women don't really want to be kidnapped and forced. We just want to play at it.

But with our feminist "I'm such a victim that I have to go looking for excuses to accuse someone of victimizing me" attitude as a culture, women have completely shot themselves in the foot. Of course, there are always going to be men who go along. These are the same men who will be serving time because she got drunk, said "no" with a giggle, and accused them of rape in the sober light of morning.

Just one more thing to thank feminism for. My list is turning into a book.

Vortac said...

KellyMac, you are always sensible and seem to even have a thing called 'logical thinking', which so many women do not seem to have.

But I don't understand this: "The thing about this fantasy, though, is that it is just that - a fantasy. Barring the S&M crowd, women don't really want to be kidnapped and forced. We just want to play at it."

I have heard this many times from many different women, and I have never understood HOW can anyone fantasize about something they would NOT want to happen for real?

All my fantasies I would LOVE to experience for real, for sure! I can't fantasize about something I wouldn't want to happen in real life, because that simply wouldn't work for me. How come it works for women?

Or is this just some clever safeway to still keep your options always open as you know you would open the flood gates to hell if you 'admitted' that yes, women do have rape fantasies and they really would want to be raped in real life.

Why have a fantasy if you don't want it to happen? I don't really get it.

Oh well, maybe it's a woman-thing, maybe in this area there isn't any logic in even the 'logical' women after all.. (:

- Vortac